question: would raphael d righter have taken it upon himself to find out of place to write another person, mainly anybody other than a black woman, and specifically, a man, to tell them They were out of place to so exercise their right and values, to what and whichever extent they chose? I am just wondering. Help me......think this through
I am awaiting his response too
it is not in the least ironic that one would get out of place to tell someone else they out of place. ah boy. male dominant mind gone wild?
http://guardian.co.tt/commentary/columnist/2010/07/28/think-again-verna
Kisha Ramcharan Monti HmmmmmmmmAnd response arrives:
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Clevon Raphael
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"Dear mm I hate corresponding with anonymous people but yes, in retrospect and on re-reading that line as a result of your short comment, it does sound disrespectful on my part. I sincerely apologise for that slip of the pen, and many thanks for drawing it to my attention.
And I responded:
"Thanks for being so gracious
Then please and kindly print something in the papers, and preferably soon, And at the beginning of your next week's column."
MD Huggins
Montserrat Maven (MM)
"Dear mm I hate corresponding with anonymous people but yes, in retrospect and on re-reading that line as a result of your short comment, it does sound disrespectful on my part. I sincerely apologise for that slip of the pen, and many thanks for drawing it to my attention.
And I responded:
"Thanks for being so gracious
Then please and kindly print something in the papers, and preferably soon, And at the beginning of your next week's column."
MD Huggins
Montserrat Maven (MM)
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second response
"Thanks for identifying yourself. I do not think your suggestion is necessary unless the good lady asks for it. The "sin" is of a venial nature not requir...ing a "mortal" penalty. Hope this meets with your kind approval."
My response:
"it does not
you see you all forget how powerful you are
what messages are already the status quo
and how you walk and write reinforces, schools, teaches and trains
And it is insidious. No one notices. except maybe a few
and when one is smart and big enough to recognize and admit that "this could have been done a different, better and less offensive way" for the meaning, measure and implication...one is actually required to correct it...for all those, especially in this society who thinks that is how life is supposed to be
Black women need to start being respected
It would be great if our black men rise up to the challenge
Thanks
Bless
Selah (pause and consider)"
next message, me to him as PS:
"and you know what?
It would be more cherished, and spirit filled if and when offered without it ever being asked ("by the good lady")"
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Someone needs to remind him that in section four of our existing constitution under religion, clearly states... “freedom of conscience and religious belief and observance.”
Who is Mr. Raphael to tell the woman she is attempting to politically blackmail the government? She indicated how she felt and what she would do "if" they enforced the law. Really wished that members of the previous UNC and PNM governments had the testicular fortitude to stand up and say that they disagreed with the views of majority when they felt it their actions were not in cohesion with basic morals and ethics taught in the nation's schools and homes.
There is no substantial evidence to show that hangings can reduce the spate of crimes so I appreciate Ms. St. Rose's stance on the matter."
and my further response:
Portia, I would be ever so grateful if you took it upon yourself to write mr., raphael yourself, copying the exact same post you just shared. I did. as you can see.,
it would help him to know and note I am not the only kook in town
i could no...t bother to deal with him and the level of thinking but even in responding to me, though on the face of it gracious, there was condescension there.
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(wish i could write what those blanks are for)
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and Clevon Raphael's last response
i give him the final word. no response from me
also kind of amusing to me...throughout the whole exchange, reader can count how many apologies he makes, but yet, unwilling to man up and restate it publicly. people have no idea the myriad way...s in which they write, wrong or right their character for others to see.
this also reminds me of an invaluable website I was introduced to last year...privilege- by men, white people...and the blind spots it creates
back to my own perch
Clevon Raphael
to me
show details 6:27 AM (6 hours ago)
"While not trying to be dismissive of your admonitions I just want to put on record what I have been practising all my life - utmost respect for women and an undying passion and love for children. I repeat I do not think I committed a mortal sin and would only apologises if mrs. st rose asks for it. I don't think she would for the same reason I just mentioned. I am sorry that you have taken this discourse to that unimaginable level, raising doubts about my respect for women. I purposely did not say black women. I really think you are making a mountain out of a mole hill, pardon the cliche."
also kind of amusing to me...throughout the whole exchange, reader can count how many apologies he makes, but yet, unwilling to man up and restate it publicly. people have no idea the myriad way...s in which they write, wrong or right their character for others to see.
this also reminds me of an invaluable website I was introduced to last year...privilege- by men, white people...and the blind spots it creates
back to my own perch
Clevon Raphael
to me
show details 6:27 AM (6 hours ago)
"While not trying to be dismissive of your admonitions I just want to put on record what I have been practising all my life - utmost respect for women and an undying passion and love for children. I repeat I do not think I committed a mortal sin and would only apologises if mrs. st rose asks for it. I don't think she would for the same reason I just mentioned. I am sorry that you have taken this discourse to that unimaginable level, raising doubts about my respect for women. I purposely did not say black women. I really think you are making a mountain out of a mole hill, pardon the cliche."
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