"Gala Event"

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"Would you be able to donate your time and talent to our upcoming Emancipation Gala event please? We, SOSTT, would love to have you as our guest speaker. You can speak on the things you mentioned higher up in this thread. I feel it is meaningful and poignant and could be inspirational. If you agree I will email further details."

me:
[what is the date?
and time?
and do be specific, I can scroll above and focus on something other than you intend. Give me items and subjects, missions and ideas so I can be clear. or what ever else was not/ is not mentioned above so i can see...will respond when that is clear. Thanks]

"Friday 22nd July 2016 @8pm, Skiffle Bunch Pan Theatre on Coffee St, San Fernando
Above where you mentioned if invited to speak, you would talk about your unrealised dreams, lack of help from family and others etc. Just scroll up"

me:
[about donating time...do your group not pay dues? can you not take up an offering.
you are in south, right?
I have no car, so will need to pay for transport... to get me there and back.
a serious talk at a pan yard? seems out of sync , no?
8pm is also late? what is the program do you have that to share?
see. i am glad i asked. I never would have focused on that. i thought i was talking on business ideas.
in my mindset now, I see no relevance on talking on that, what is the benefit of talking about that subject?? and in a pan yard. lol? seems off to me.
thanks for coming back to me Onika, but we need to work this. I cant show up playing fool. gotta be on point
time changes relevance, and people make shifts, they cant talk about the same things any more. for me to talk about that as a focus takes me back from where i came out. i dont do backwards. forward only]

"OK no problem. It is your own mindset, if you saw the relevance then but not Now, it's fine with me. You could speak on whatever you feel will be of value . The group consists of three ladies myself included and no we don't pay dues. YES a panyard, which is what we could get for free considering our limited resources. Sorry we couldn't get Sapa or Hyatt ballroom for you. I'm a firm believer in making a start and growing from there. Thought an educated woman would unrealised dreams of her own would appreciate. Yip a panyard for a serious talk doesn't seem incongruous to me. Christ taught by a seaside. Anyway considering your transport challenge I will understand..."

me:
[well... your snide comment says it all.
thank you]

"Just responding in kind. Thanks "
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you all be the judge.
there are a few folks I would tag on here, but i wont. will leave it open.
tell me where I was snide. or if i was just talking to an idiot toting serious issues, unresolved. and knowing nothing beyond how to try to get without offering anything, as well as doing shit, shitty

mind you, please take note of my offering to find an appropriate topic for the audience and the space, but i guess that is too high tech.

but for me, i love when people get rope. and then to observe what they do with that rope, something positive and building, learning, constructive, expanding, or if to hang themselves.

sapa and hyatt the ___ say you know
meanwhile, a few of you on here will know that you asked and had me speak at just those places, and all times for free.

But you see when folk start with the donate...do they go to market and ask for donations? but what gets me is when such requests come without context, conversations, or even a fraudulent attempt to indicate to you, I know you will have to put out for this but lets see what we can do.
it is often not what you do you know, but how. and well...
when you show your ugly easily, and effortlessly, i know it was all an instruction.

it have flowers growing by the labasse?
"an educated woman like me"

i have already said too much; but all yuh,you tell me..


 ===============part two

non-alignment and incongruency

look those words up

energy and vibration

either matches itself or oppose

sense, protocol, and consciousness

either of similar exposures or from diametrically opposed sides

i would never imagine to have and hold, far less spew that level of attempted disrespect to someone I was asking of their time, energy and experience

i hear people talk of hognorant...

this is the second time in a few days a female, who does not know me, try to challenge me to do what my life has been about. one screw loose tried to tell me to go learn trinidad history, then now telling me of an educated woman like me would...

i leave it open cause it is a lot/not one thing but many.

when you bringing content, comportment, and propriety, those foreign to it might very well be undone, outdone. . story of my life.

i wonder if i can still show up and talk about THAT?!!!!

=--------------------part three

something about this strikes me about my recent interaction with the ungraceful...i am presuming I was supposed to be in awe to have been asked to speak. I should have been like most folk in trinidad, elated to have a mic and a podium in front of me?? my ego spinning and gravitating?

hm

not i, this jah, douen. wont even call you sistren at this point.

i not impressed. that dont get me/

"unrequited awe"?

maybe

insecurity is a hell of a thing too eh..

if you feel ahow about where you are at and how you operating, you will find and take insult when none is intentioned.

also teaches you how people see their landscape

girl thinks something is wrong with a pan yard, me who played pan with renegades, who lime on the streets and anywhere. think there are places where "better people" are found/ no honey. not so. content is inside, not in presentations, impropriety or empty accolades, wrong topics, mismatched programming, etc. etc.

[Leah Marville on Twitter: "unrequited awe"]

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by her own accord:

"Pet peeves = When people could give but can't take and folks with no sense of humor who get unduly pressed about miniscule shit! NOT TODAAAYY!! *yankee spranger voice*"

so i guess i took her and her miniscule shit and outfit, way too serious. got it.
so obvious. so clear.

The Sick Mother, Twisted Feminine

 

 

 

this is why and how you see me documenting so much hatred and attempted trauma from these two biddies here/ broken twisted females who never ever considered shit might not be right. and it is not just them. the oldest female cousin is the pinnacle of the three, having had her own sexual abuse, and seeming to internalize the most subjugation from various quarters, being dark too

"It may feel dangerous for a woman to actualize her full potential because it may mean risking some form of rejection by her mother."

that.

and i have heard it in various ways:

"you real like yourself"

"you are too confident"

"you are selfish" but what that really meant is that i have not engaged self erasure as a means to survive in the pod, the culture, society, plantation patriarchy...

"This is because the daughter may unconsciously sense that her full empowerment may trigger the mother’s sadness or rage at having had to give up parts of herself in her own life. Her compassion for her mother, a desire to please her, and a fear of conflict may cause her to convince herself that it’s safer to shrink and remain small."

what is deep for me is that none of these women are my mother, who is deceased, and with whom i had almost no relationship with it seems like, i remember. she too was in full self erasure in her attempt to live and maintain with my father, also a sick broken black man from the colonial plantation...these are aunts and cousins, of a previous generation and years older

i never pondered their reaction to my options for beingness. I just came. i just be. but oh their rage. is palpable. and that resentment is what I located and identified as soon as I got here. they did not send me with a desire to please. not anyone, and hence my hatred from almost everybody. I never ever once thought it was safer to shrink. i am very clear on misgynoir

wow. this thing is so real. so accurate:

"She may fear her mother feeling threatened by her dreams or ambitions."

and i have. threatened them all with my wildness, my ideas, my freedom

blow mind

"The truth is that no child can save her mother.

No sacrifice a daughter makes will ever be enough to compensate for the high price her mother may have had to pay or for the losses she has accrued over the years, simply by being a woman and mother in this culture. And yet, this is what many women do for their mothers very early on in childhood: they unconsciously make a decision to not abandon or betray their mothers by becoming “too successful,” “too smart” or “too adventurous.” This decision is made out of love, loyalty and a true need for approval and emotional support from the mother."

"too successful" "too smart" "too adventurous" Insert my name and every initial of my name in between there

"Many of us confuse being loyal to our mothers with being loyal to their wounds, and thus, complicit in our own oppression."

most and more than rejection...it is inferiority complexes, it is insecurity. resentment...and woah onto you when people feel that in your presence. Hatred.

"it can truly feel like a rejection when your child surpasses or exceeds the dreams you thought possible for yourself."

"There may be a sense of feeling owed, entitled to or needing to be validated by your children, which can be a very subtle but powerful manipulation."

that entitlement is the language used here. from the one who considers herself major. it has been phenomenal for me to watch for as much confidence as I have, entitlement is not one of any of my quarters. my life taught me that. that even despite all the work and sacrifice my life has been. success is not foregone and entitled, at least not configured. yet, these biddies, with so far less, and not done, feel the greatest entitlement. but i am learning that is the equation. cause it is compensation you see. delusional compensation. when you are more full, you have less (issues?fuckedupness?)

the sad thing: I see the early dynamic with my nieces

"This dynamic can cause the next generation of daughters to keep themselves small so that their mothers can continue to feel validated and affirmed in their identity as a mother, an identity that many have sacrificed so much for, but received so little support and recognition for in return,"

my elder and favorite niece, she has told me at age six, how her mother was a pushover and in short, substandard. she was very clear on this. without anyone ever saying a thing negative. she asked her grandmother how it is she allowed her daughter to marry daddy wayne. that was the language. just insert quotes. I was floored when my mother repeated that to me. so because the girls recognize their mothers' weakness, they then go about trying to pacify, help hide, lie, against it. deep manipulation>and what is so sad, to see how children's characters are formed, turned, spoiled and corrupted cause of this bullshit. If i can tell you how deep that has hurt me. and had to be silent about. it is amazing.

"sacrificing the self in an effort to somehow ease the mother's pain"

and that is what i see my nieces do

funny for me. I was ten years old when the only time and way I tried to ease my mother's pain was to tell her to leave my father, and I will come with her. she ignored me and I was done. i remember that incident as if it was yesterday. our closet hallway upstairs, we were standing.

"Of course, most mothers want what is best for their daughters. However, if a mother has not dealt with her own pain or come to terms with the sacrifices she has had to make, than her support for her daughter may be laced with traces of messages that subtly instill shame, guilt or obligation"

but tell me and show me one woman who has processed through this? who has dealt with their pain???

i love this article. it is artfully almost completely addressed in corners and underbeds

" They can seep out in the most benign situations, usually in some form of criticism or some form of bringing praise back to the mother. It’s not usually the content of the statement, but rather the energy with which it is conveyed that can carry hidden resentment."

"fully grieve and mourn her own losses."

from what i see in my family, pain and losses are just buried under a lot of superficial stuff: houses, clothing, education, accomplished and futilely attempted in competition, but just under the surface. and my life has made it easier for them, so they believe to beat up on me. my costs and price for being a god damn independent person in a world of subjugation, so it is easy for them they believe. they have proof, but all that has happened is that my blessings just keep growing, mushrooming

where strength and integrity are absolutely absent:

" The issue at the core of women’s empowerment is the mother wound

In our patriarchal, male-dominated culture women are conditioned to think of themselves as “less-than” and not deserving or worthy. This feeling of “less-than” has been internalized and passed down through countless generations of women.

The cultural atmosphere of female oppression puts daughters in a “double bind.”

Simply put, if a daughter internalizes her mother’s unconscious beliefs (which is some subtle form of “I’m not good enough”) then she has her mother’s approval but has in some way betrayed herself and her potential.

However, if she doesn’t internalize her mother’s unconscious beliefs in her own limitations but rather affirms her own power and potential, she is aware that her mother may unconsciously see this as a personal rejection.

It may feel dangerous for a woman to actualize her full potential because it may mean risking some form of rejection by her mother.

The daughter doesn’t want to risk losing her mother’s love and approval, so internalizing these limiting, unconscious beliefs is a form of loyalty and emotional survival for the daughter.

This is because the daughter may unconsciously sense that her full empowerment may trigger the mother’s sadness or rage at having had to give up parts of herself in her own life. Her compassion for her mother, a desire to please her, and a fear of conflict may cause her to convince herself that it’s safer to shrink and remain small.

Of course, most mothers want what is best for their daughters. However, if a mother has not dealt with her own pain or come to terms with the sacrifices she has had to make, than her support for her daughter may be laced with traces of messages that subtly instill shame, guilt or obligation. They can seep out in the most benign situations, usually in some form of criticism or some form of bringing praise back to the mother. It’s not usually the content of the statement, but rather the energy with which it is conveyed that can carry hidden resentment.

Mothers must mourn what they had to give up, what they wanted but will never have, what their children can never give them and the injustice of their situation. However, as unjust and unfair as it is, it is not the responsibility of the daughter to make amends for the mother’s losses or to feel obligated to sacrifice herself in the same ways. For mothers, It takes tremendous strength and integrity to do this.

what strength and integrity??

this article sums everything up here

"For daughters growing up in a patriarchal culture, there is a sense of having to choose between being empowered and being loved."

that is it. that is my life. that is what I have learned.

and beyond that it is not just an either or imbalance. you will get punished and persecuted for being empowered, the more so , the greater the ugly, but for any modicum, the backlash , cost and price is high. it is what i referred to above when I said they had ammunition...for my experience in the wider world. under white supremacy, in the colonial plantation great house

wow. from early on. as a child. i chose not to be fake loved. not to go chasing waterfalls and mirages. i have the string of estrangements to prove it

There aint nothing vague about it

"there is a vague but powerful sense that your empowerment will injure your relationships."

again..."

As a woman, there is a vague but powerful sense that your empowerment will injure your relationships. And women are taught to value relationships over everything else. We cling to the crumbs of our relationships, while our souls may be deeply longing for the fulfillment of our potential. But the truth is that our relationships alone can never adequately substitute for the hunger to live our lives fully."

"And it’s true that there are mothers who are simply un-loving most of the time, whether because of ... other struggles."

and there is the rub. rube and rubix. we are unwilling to admit that these biddies are fucked the hell up twisted and unloving beasts...instead we couch, accept, pacify and accept it. I never did.

"We all have patriarchy in us to some degree. We’ve had to ingest it to survive in this culture. When we’re ready to confront it fully in ourselves, we also confront it in others, including our mothers. This can be one of the most heart-wrenching of all situations we must face. But unless we are willing to go there, to address the mother wound, we are paying a very high price for the illusion of peace and empowerment."

but dont fool your fart, the price for confronting it is VERY VERY HIGH

"What’s the relationship between the mother wound and the divine feminine?

There’s a lot of talk these days about ’embodying the divine feminine’ and being an ‘awakened woman.’ But the reality is that we cannot be a strong container of the power of the divine feminine if we have not yet addressed the places within us where we have felt banished and in exile from the Feminine."

wow

"What’s the relationship between the mother wound and the divine feminine?

There’s a lot of talk these days about ’embodying the divine feminine’ and being an ‘awakened woman.’ But the reality is that we cannot be a strong container of the power of the divine feminine if we have not yet addressed the places within us where we have felt banished and in exile from the Feminine.

Let’s face it: Our first enounter with the Goddess was with our mothers. Until we have the courage to break the taboo and face the pain we have experienced in relation to our mothers, the divine feminine is another form of a fairy tale, a fantasy of rescue by a mother who is not coming. This keeps us in spiritual immaturity. We have to separate the human mother from the archetype in order to be true carriers of this energy. We have to de-construct the faulty structures within us before we can truly build new structures to hold it. Until we do this we remain stuck in a kind of limbo where our empowerment is short-lived and the only explanation for our predicament that seems to make sense is to blame ourselves."

second huge aspect of this article:

"If we avoid acknowledging the full impact of our mother’s pain on our lives, we still remain to some degree, children."

that and this is why there are so few adults, and just grown old children populating the globe

"stay small to relieve my own pain"

i realize this is just general and generic psychological psychoses. this is the crab in the barrel , black african people trauma from slavery, plantation and colonialism

all humans. this mother wound relates to males as well.

"For every human being, the very first wound of the heart was at the site of the mother, the feminine. And through the process of healing that wound, our hearts graduate from a compromised state of defensiveness and fear to a whole new level of love and power, which connects us to the divine heart of Life itself"

 

http://www.filmsforaction.org/articles/why-its-crucial-for-women-to-heal-the-mother-wound/ 

 

 

quotes by : Bethany Webster

manhood borrowed/stolen ~ the art of patriarchy

you know,

 

 

This is a copy of the marriage certificate of Sat Maharaj, who admitted over the weekend that he married a child bride.

As it shows, his wife, Shantie Maharaj was 14 years old when she married 22 year old Satnarine on June 28th, 1953.

Maharaj, the leader of the Santa Dharma Maha Sabha (SDMS) has been embroiled in controversy over his adamant stand that legislation, which allows Hindu girls to get married from as early as 14 years old is a safety net for young teens who get pregnant.

The Trinidad and Tobago Association of Psychologists has now joined the call for the law to amended to abolish child marriage.

"While some have argued that child marriages in Trinidad and Tobago are not a frequent occurrence, this is an insufficient argument to justify its continued presence in our law books," the Association said.

 

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i repost this for one reason.

 

where i got it from, their concern and focus is on "child marriages"

 

but me? i see it and think i am watching the means and vehicles by which males, little boys, immature creatures, garner, attain, snatch and rob a manhood that is never theirs, never earned, never worked for, just merely by dint of subjugation of others, lessers, youngers, 

 

they are vampires. they get their penis and cred by sucking the life of the young and innocent. 

and under those conditions, it neither has to be working, big, or useful.

 

that is what i saw/see. and marriage to young girl children is just one mode of the same mission for males. there are many others. that is patriarchy, the semblance and robbery of an attainment that is neither real, your own, only borrowed and stood on by those whose backs you bend and break.

write that down somewhere

Contract Accolades and Great Review

Maven Huggins

June 3 at 3:26pm ·

 

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 Edward Bowen:
 "it has been great working with you, writing a new path of innovations"

Brand Agent Agency

"I remember you spraying your sheets. That bedding was so well kept by you.

It's like you knew what mattered and what not to worry much about. You specialize in "...."

I just made up that word."

I DO!! "---" gosh that is such a great title.

i know you did. you need to be my agent. i keep telling you that. you need to drop everything you are doing and make me your life and brand. I am almost sure. between the art, the food, the "....", the love like yourself living, interior decorating and world products, as well as my business Ideas, I could make us millionaires, if not billionaires. and I did not even include my writing and such word based products. ..like long time I wanted to write my poetry in nice big font, and print it on wallpaper . and sell it as decor.

you get me and your ping of getting me is how to sell me to the world":

"Now don't go spreading it, Melise. You may be able to build a brand around that and your intuitive capacities.

lol. i was just about to post.

hell the stuff is too good not to post

"No. As your agent, I'm putting the brakes on you, lady. I need these ideas to stay "silent". ...consider yourself in the cocoon at this point; beautiful butterflies of wealth to come."




" Oh...in our world, I am "handling" you...as an agent would. But more...

Alchemists are Beauty Undefiled

so hard is it to find a steak lunch mate?

loachos and trifling bunches/ one of the persons i met, i first met them over a decade ago by offering them lunch. ask him to take me today first thing out his mouth is ;am i paying' niggers who are douglas and indians have no shame either.

all this talk of women having friendzone males who are transport...i dont know that at all. Never had it. Dont think in that framework. Perhaps it is because from age 16 I always had my own vehicle

But i am not complaining, i just find it so amusing how one can have a life and reality so far removed from the popular myth and story line.

just last night my godsister was telling me how much my life constantly variates from the norm, something always spectacular, surprising and appealing.

i just dont understand where people and males get this loacho thing from. I cant imagine them being like that with their male friends, or maybe they are. it matters not

the other thing that occurred to me last night , this morning are my variety of haters. the high kind, the kind who think they smart, crafty and with gifts and talents. bullshit. they are just busy dead japs, already sprayed dead, still buzzing an insistence of futility.

haters who enlist zombie worthless agents to spread rumours and lies. but here is the clincher. they think they are hurting me and i am and was oblivious . i now coming to the story, figuring out the pieces a good nine months after the fact. They trying to hurt me, remove from me a great gift, something they wished they ever had or known in life, something that made them green in envy under all that white, made them sick and plumb more into darkness, a darkness that their vehicle now bears the appearance of weight and battering. see cause her soul is in everything else except her body. many things that she steals and attempts to coerce. but what i am getting to is that these two imps trying to do me in and only hurting innocent people,another lady who had no idea how much of a cheater her boy was, living in delusion she was/and is. but i realize the more they do, they do to everything I am, everybody walking with me, and besides all of that, me as an alchemist, so you throw bad for me and guess what? it turns into gold. you speak ill of me, and guess what, my light shines brighter. you try to remove one from me and guess what, a whole calvary comes seeking. there are things i have to talk and share about but i am not sure where is the place and timing but know one thing. there is an experience most women never ever have, and when they see it , it makes them turn ugly and crazy. I have seen it twice in my life. once in college, telling a friend about my life with my boyfriend. she was so surprised she tried to attain it for herself but it dont work so. what you have with someone aint transferable, even if the tool is there. it is the energies combined that brings it to a height of life and skill/ a gift most women know nothing of, far less to imagine, far worse to ever experience.

that is what i had that had turu in a state. enlisting a street rat ornella who looks like a recovering coke addict, bespoiling a young sister;s life at a time when she waited eight years to make a baby for a loser bum, she still unmarried, he very single but she calling him her husband. living lies and then have to contend with a very public betrayal. and all the while, I am still the golden girl. the bomb in the ria, smelling like frankincense rose and looking like the pot of gold giving life to new worlds, possibilities, vista and rainbows.

i never knew i was that much an alchemist

turuornellamarkcarlababy

Paedophilia: Sexual Predatorship, Promiscuity and Child Marriage in Trinidad and Tobago

i swear to you i was trying to keep quiet.

i was trying hard not to say or write a word about this child marriage act everyone is discussing. when i saw this cover, I had no idea what i was going to read, it was the comments in the thread that led me to open the link. sigh. smh.

but this right here. that is the mother speaking. her voice

"She told officers she trusted the man even with her own life and never expected him to prey on her daughters. She said she read stories in the newspapers about children being sexually assaulted, but never thought for a moment, it would hit home as she considered herself to be an extremely cautious parent when it comes to her children."

the most derelict of mfers. the delusion, the myth of self. the lie and lies we tell ourselves is sickening, defying all sense, common, bought or borrowed. you are a cautious parent but sending your young girl children to walk the road by themselves. what part of this world and this trinidad that the sane and real vigilant would never ever do such a thing? Night or Day?

what grown mature wombmyn knows to trust zero man with your girl and boy children, not even their father. it was the 1930s, 1940s, 1950s 1960s that my grandmother i learned had a policy never to leave her girlchildren with their father, her husband, a corporal police, mr very serious everyone respected mister felix baptiste, the patriarch among six of his siblings, he being one of three boys and i am not sure he was the oldest. so you understand the dynamics. my grandmother an uneducated venezuelan grew up in the hinter hills of maracas riding donkey on hillside farms. She knew that back then. what wrong wid allyuh. was allyuh excuse/

and no one would tell her, fuck outta here, cautious and two girls walking the road unattended dont match. that is not equal equation maths. let alone trusting a man who is not even their blood, or any man at all.

so the reason why i was trying not to say a word about this child marriage thing is this story. that "child marriage" discussion is wrong headed, it is sa subset for a deeper, larger problem: Paedophilia, and the preying of young people, girls and boys, more the former, but in trinidad my common sense telling me not to even use that archaic ignorant language and differential any more... marriage just justifies, validates the predatory behavior, but this is not about child marriage. it is the preying on our children for sexual deformity and male dysfunction

That is the discussion.

and i bring it down to bottom line basics.

Protect those who cannot protect themselves. Protect the young,

the uninitiated, the innocent, those still growing.

Stop male domination and entitlement, which would be a full catchment of professionals raping grown women, and other male types raping children.

Sex without consent is violence, which then gets to us fully understanding violence.

When we get to understanding all this is about Violence, Entitlement and Male Domination in all forms. we will start to get somewhere, but no where is there space for this level of conversation.

the other bottom line i want to state that i was trying to avoid, is we as a country are yet to admit the rampant extent of sexual predatorship is normal and cultural. societal and accepted.

i saw someone asking for stats on child marriages. again then i cringed.

forget marriage. do you know how many of us come from a lineage of rape, and no i not talking about from slavery or indentureship.

merely ask us about our grandmothers, if you ever knew? my father's mother was raped at fifteen, .her oldest daughter,the result of that rape, my father's eldest sister, was also raped at fifteen. my father's niece, the eldest daughter of his youngest sister, she the mother, gave her daughter up at young teenage years to some grown man of early twenties cause he told her he was interested. statutory rape.

why do we not consider those women who offer their girl children up

why do we not awaken to how common grown and professional and titan men of this country took country bookie, young girls to wife. one of the biggest female lawyers in town her mother was a fraction of her famous lawyer father.

my point being, we need to break down the artificial barriers and languages that cut and dice child sexual predatorship between the powerful, the poor and the folk in between.

it is real deep cause this is a culture all about sex. more sex happening in the schools between equals than learning. so brother, I have no idea how to stem this thing. But long time now i see that as a form of boredom, lack of training, lack of productivity, guidance, so the poor of mind and spirit make activity of their bodies. that is something i figured out a long time ago. you give young children activity and responsible adult supervision, half of our societal problems will disappear. literally. but can that happen when the pool of beings are so regressive and degenerate., male and female in a maelstrom of  Paedophilia: Sexual Predatorship, Promiscuity and Child Marriage in Trinidad and Tobago

http://www.newsday.co.tt/news/0,227937.html 

Commentary

Teocah Arieal Ainka Dove:

Just now ·

"It becomes ......

for one to wonder.....

If by the comments being made by religious leaders...

If in some way, they are responsible for the prevalence sexual abuse in the least within their religious communities.......

Because if a man, in a particular religion, knows that he can marry a 12 year old, then by all means he may see no issue in having sex with the same 12 years old.... out of wedlock...

I am not saying this is what it is, I am asking if this could be so..... given such....."