- The Art of Garin Baker
Maven Huggins: for
the life of me I cant get over people's reactions to this story. that
is so normal normal. I see it all about me. almost every married man
have an outside woman and plenty fren'. I also see guys juggling
girlfriends. while living with a woman/ what
is remarkable to me in this story and i give this guy plenty props is
that he was evidently taking care of these women, even if that meant,
just sharing what he had. that is upper topper to me, cause from what I
see, from men even supposedly those above his socioeconomic status is
men just feeding and living off of women, getting money, car, housing,
etc. I just see men living no where but either their mother's or their
women, like this guy seemed to be doing, I eh know but at least he was
saying, "here, hold this" that seems to be a lost art and protocol.
so is it denial, deceit or dissonance that have people in such perpetrated shock? cause I just land here and this is all I see. from land to gentry
- Maven Huggins: i was googling but nothing coming...that is roughly two children per woman...we know there would be multiples in there.. but four children per man.. each man had two plus women. a wife/woman, girlfriend and side chick- she is the .2. smh.
Yup. that is about how it is. Thanks Dennis.
now what gets me..and i have lived in africa, the us, all parts, no where else in the black world, have i seen the level of hypermaledom as I observe here in trinidad. man have more woman than they can deal with. I literally walk around my daily life wondering how do women deal. when i watch the men, i just imagine the lines of women, and what type. I swear I am a bit obsessed with the phenomenon actually
when i talk about it, the only thing i hear is how the woman...do too. but the numbers dont support that bs. not to the same extent. Anyway, I find it intriguing - Maven Huggins: yeah. I read someone somewhere, think it might have been Iyanla...where it was explained that these women get trapped because they maintained the dream, believed in the dream, every time, every single baby , every single man that this was "the one" ""the man", " the relationship" that was going to be it.
and I see it..it is the mechanism by which women end up with men: you "stick it out"...this is how women end up being married."holding onto the dream" I feel i am butchering this. and i am being sloppy/. but i think there is something profound in that
women too cant take the blame if that (sex and body) is all they are selling and offering, and then asleep above, below and beyond all of that . what would it mean for women to wake up. 
- Maven Huggins no. i was one of those daughters . filled with dreams and taught the privilege I can have dreams. and my world popped. my dream world. cause that is what it is ..a long time friend from grad school just wrote me the other day and said , "i know you want the fantasy, but that is not real" we need to teach our girldchildren how to think like men, and how not to have dreams. and how to build. and how to love self/ how to have an armour that is a highly sensitive bullshit meter
and i guess we saying the same thing, except i think i am saying, there are no more dreams. there never was. what has happened is that the veil of lies, myths and delusions have burnt away . in these times 
Maven Huggins try
to ride with me and get what i am saying. go back hundreds of years, to
jim crow and civil rights. we bought into the dream that we were
americans. that we could teach white people to like us, that white
supremacy would be dismantled , that if we lived with white folk in
their neighborhoods and in their schools, they would respect us.
So when we realize that the answer and truth to all that and more is no no and no, we riot and protest. ti is the same theme/ believing in dreams that are a lie and counter to reality
men for women, white people for black people
why and how are we trying to fight our way out of a living nightmare?
was it not because we forgot, or went to sleep, dreamt and dreaming and or never woke up?
if i am not able to convey my point I regret, but i see it so crystal clear. and I love the analogy and story if i may say so. If i look back on malcolm, martin, sojourner , mandela...the next line to teach and tell is we been sleeping and dreaming...and this is where it got us
Dennis Allen: " i like how you're thinking
and that makes a lot of sense...but who sold the dream the black man bought?
the same man that brought him on the slave ship. the same man who took away their gods. the same man who raped his women and stole his children.
X and MLK are significantly different from Mandela in this respect, because Mandela did not use religion as the conduit to political power. in that respect Mandela was closer in his strategy to the oppressor—he TOOK political power by the threat of force. which is what is so scary about the Baltimore action. there is no moderate preacherman telling these angry slaves to cool it."
Maven Huggins: Dennis, reading the thread over and my comments, i want to make clear, i am not a single parent, nor did i ever get jammed long term chasing these men dreams, my dreams were about who i thought i was in the world, what i could be and do, unstoppable, unimpeded...and that dream is what popped... I realized it could have been misconstrued
Dennis Allen: " nah, i think i read you correctly "
Maven Huggins mandela was more dangerous and treacherous than the former two/ your last line is accurate. I wrote a post this evening that the soldiers were on the battle field with no generals
Dennis Allen : "the sad thing? the GANGS are the most organised, TRUELY representative organisations of black america. not even the universities and colleges support the black man in america—in every corner, every pocket and ever crevice—like the gangs do. and thats a sad truth to accept"
Maven Huggins: accurate on all counts. I wrote a post this evening alluding to gangs getting into the marijuana business to build economic power for the community, leveraging their truly wall street corporate skills.
So when we realize that the answer and truth to all that and more is no no and no, we riot and protest. ti is the same theme/ believing in dreams that are a lie and counter to reality
men for women, white people for black people
why and how are we trying to fight our way out of a living nightmare?
was it not because we forgot, or went to sleep, dreamt and dreaming and or never woke up?
if i am not able to convey my point I regret, but i see it so crystal clear. and I love the analogy and story if i may say so. If i look back on malcolm, martin, sojourner , mandela...the next line to teach and tell is we been sleeping and dreaming...and this is where it got us
Dennis Allen: " i like how you're thinking
and that makes a lot of sense...but who sold the dream the black man bought?
the same man that brought him on the slave ship. the same man who took away their gods. the same man who raped his women and stole his children.
X and MLK are significantly different from Mandela in this respect, because Mandela did not use religion as the conduit to political power. in that respect Mandela was closer in his strategy to the oppressor—he TOOK political power by the threat of force. which is what is so scary about the Baltimore action. there is no moderate preacherman telling these angry slaves to cool it."
Maven Huggins: Dennis, reading the thread over and my comments, i want to make clear, i am not a single parent, nor did i ever get jammed long term chasing these men dreams, my dreams were about who i thought i was in the world, what i could be and do, unstoppable, unimpeded...and that dream is what popped... I realized it could have been misconstrued
Dennis Allen: " nah, i think i read you correctly "
Maven Huggins mandela was more dangerous and treacherous than the former two/ your last line is accurate. I wrote a post this evening that the soldiers were on the battle field with no generals
Dennis Allen : "the sad thing? the GANGS are the most organised, TRUELY representative organisations of black america. not even the universities and colleges support the black man in america—in every corner, every pocket and ever crevice—like the gangs do. and thats a sad truth to accept"
Maven Huggins: accurate on all counts. I wrote a post this evening alluding to gangs getting into the marijuana business to build economic power for the community, leveraging their truly wall street corporate skills.
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